Cedrus - Cephalotaxus

I have always admired the true Cedars but until recently considered most of them too tender to be practical here. I am starting to re-think that position. Part of the problem in the past seems to have been because most cultivars were grafted onto tender forms of deodara. Now that some of the hardier forms are available on their own roots they are proving remarkably tough, and plants large enough to cone are starting to show up in our area. Cedrus have been devastated in the wild due to over harvesting for timber and the genus has been devastated by taxonomists who have now lumped everything into just two species.